Warning: Safety Distances On Ce Marked Fireworks

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Somersetpyro

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I found out earlier some more info on the new CE regs. It turns out that new fireworks are now categorised on the size of the bursts, unlike the old BS regs, with which fireworks were categorised on the fallout of any debris. This is how large fireworks can now be categorised as Cat 2 garden fireworks.
Using the new 8m fireworks at this distance could cause injury to spectators and damage to property. Of course, a cat 2 selection box won't cause this problem, but large cakes, such as Diamond Princess by brothers, or much of the new cat 2 celtic pieces are really too big to be used at 8m. Fireworks such as this would have been categorised as cat 3 under the BS regs.
It is advisable to use caution when buying Cat 2 cakes, or even better speaking to a specialist fireworks retailer, who can advise you on whether certain fireworks would/would not be appropriate. Of course some cat 2 8m cakes will be fine to use at the 8m distance, but others are not, and could even be a big danger to you, your property and your audience.
 
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AnthonyUKpyro

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Maybe the bigger cat2 items would be safer with a 15m distance?

Magnum Series has taken this sensible step with the bigger items;others should follow too.;)
 
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I agree Anthony, particularly some of the celtic gear should be used at 15m, even though they say 8m on them
Same goes for some Jorge, Brothers gear as well
 
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AnthonyUKpyro

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This European Standard seems to be throwing good commonsense out of the window by putting overly large powerful stuff at ridiculous product safety/performance protocols (size of burst over debris/fallout distance requirements) into what would be considered dangerous territory that our outgoing BS7114:2:1988 requirements simply would NOT allow.

I think personally, that ditching BS7114 will prove to be a hazardous mistake and a bad move unless the current European Standard can be specifically modified for the firework product safety requirements of the UK market WITHOUT the necessary approval of
the 30+ continents of the European Union and the agreement of the UK firework importers to allow those modifications.

What is safe in one european country doesn't mean to say it is safer everywhere across Europe as different European countries have different product safety requirements for consumer fireworks.

A one size fits all method and approach across Europe by classifying fireworks by effect/burst size, and NOT by debris/fallout distances, as our tried trusted and accepted BS7114 does, will inevitably lead to people using oversized powerful cat2 8m fireworks in small back gardens, thinking they're safe (BECAUSE EUROPE SAYS SO AND WE HAVE TO COMPLY), will inevitably lead to property damage personal injury and insurance claims for those damages and injuries.
 
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i agree entirely Anthony, it is a ridiculous idea not to take fallout size into account.
However, the only good thing is lots of these large cat 2 cakes (eg. celtic), are only sold by specialists, so they are able to advise that the firework is too big
 

AnthonyUKpyro

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You say specialist shops for large cat2 but some bigger shops seasonally DO diversify into bigger retail cat 2 and cat 3 fireworks and do not care about size of the users backgardens/firing areas etc and will NOT care a jot about the person buying with scant poor or non existant advice given at time of purchase.
 

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I see what you mean, though i can't say i've come across any of the larger items in any shop where someone didn't know about their products (however, i'm from the south where there aren't that many big stores)
The only normal 'department' type store i've seen seasonally stocking the large cat 2 stuff is Chaplins, and the staff there know about the fireworks, and actually - very sensibly - advised us away from certain pieces, and more towards smaller items to allow us the best display with the limited space we had for NYE this year.
 

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Just about everything I buy from my local specialist is category 2 as I fall slightly short of the 25m required for cat3. All my cat 2 comes with a 15m safety distance on it, with the exception of 1 or 2 rocket packs and smaller items that state 8m
 
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Some brands, most notably Magnum Series have done this, which is very sensible on their part, as that is the distance that a lot of the new cat 2 is best used at. As i said, you don't have to worry about the small cakes and rockets, it's the bigger bore items that would be of concern at 8m
 
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Also, all safety aside (but not forgotten!) you'd be a bit silly watching large bore cat2 so close, you'll totally miss out on the spread etc.

So it really is a no brainer to step back a little bit more :D
 

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Most of my pyro will be 'planet fireworks' i'm not sure but I think this brand is mostly sold by the group that my local shop is part of, don't seem to see them on mainstream websites. Been firing them for 4 years now and very pleased with them
 
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Planet have some brilliant pieces, up there with the best.

I do remember someone saying Planet & Brothers have a connection, not sure how strong said connection is though.
 

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Most of my pyro will be 'planet fireworks' i'm not sure but I think this brand is mostly sold by the group that my local shop is part of, don't seem to see them on mainstream websites. Been firing them for 4 years now and very pleased with them
Planet are imported by Great Northern Fireworks, but there's a couple of shops in Essex/Suffolk that only sell them. What's your local shop called?
 

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Planet are imported by Great Northern Fireworks, but there's a couple of shops in Essex/Suffolk that only sell them. What's your local shop called?
I'm in Ipswich, it's the fireworks emporium, they also have dynamic fireworks in Colchester. They send me a nice gloss A4 brochure updated each year, in early summer. I like to refer to it as my bible , my wife panics add my face lights up and I start putting together my wish list! She's never seen the bill! Lol
 

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I'm in Ipswich, it's the fireworks emporium, they also have dynamic fireworks in Colchester. They send me a nice gloss A4 brochure updated each year, in early summer. I like to refer to it as my bible , my wife panics add my face lights up and I start putting together my wish list! She's never seen the bill! Lol
Yes, i think FE, Dynamic and GNF are all part of the same company.
Couple of other places sell them, our local shop stocks most of their range, they look very decent :)
 

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cheers zep I really do hope the average user will understand it :)