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Should Standard split from Black Cat Fireworks and go it alone?


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AnthonyUKpyro

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Personally, I think they should because the range of products has just been going down and down and down and are just NOT the market leaders they once were these days. In the 90's when the Chinese influence was steadily increasing they brought out some cracking good products that you actually WANTED to set off and enjoy and none it was crap floppy or flat whatsoever. Getting into bed with Black Cat they excelled with some great stuff at first then it all gradually went wrong with Standard more and more becoming a minority brand and a merely a name on Black Cat produced Chinese fireworks. When Black Cat was a brand on it's own it did rather well with a nice selection of things that were eyecatching in design, wonderful to watch and fun for the fireworks buyer-it should have stayed single and Standard should've stayed single.
 

gaz

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I agree with you both the stuff they are selling at the moment are dreadful. But sometimes it takes the obvious pointing out for soothing to happen ;)
 
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AnthonyUKpyro

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In the 90's Standard had a decent range of products-and it was good quality product all sourced from Vulcan/Maverick/Shogun under an import agreement with Inter-Oriental Fireworks of China, it's a real shame this partnership came to an end and stopped, I loved these fireworks especially the bigger selection boxes of the Star range and the equally excellent product lines of the brilliant and ever-growing Oriental selection of single cat3 25m display fireworks. This was a far, far better strategy than letting the evil Black Cat tear it's claws into our favourite fireworks brand and maul it to oblivion. :)
 
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I wish that they had stayed independent and not fallen into the china trap - the issue now is that the prices are getting higher and higher and the workers are getting less and less skilled and lets be honest, if you had a choice, would you work in a lovely warm electronics factory down the road or out in the mountains in the cold making fireworks!
 

AnthonyUKpyro

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I wish that they had stayed independent and not fallen into the china trap - the issue now is that the prices are getting higher and higher and the workers are getting less and less skilled and lets be honest, if you had a choice, would you work in a lovely warm electronics factory down the road or out in the mountains in the cold making fireworks!
The thing is would British made fireworks using UK materials and labour be any cheaper than Chinese imports are now had they chose to keep in the UK and carry on manufacturing? I would think not. Also add to the fact when Standard Fireworks manufactured British made fireworks;the prices would always rise every year by a few pence anyway and would also suffer another rise again if VAT went up too as it has done over the years. The only way Standard Fireworks Limited Crosland Hill Huddersfield could manufacture using UK british labour in the United Kingdom and sell thru retail outlets at an affordable price, that doesn't need to rise regularly, is by using foreign import materials and foreign import blackpowder and flashpowder. That you could still have UK firework manufacturing here BUT the fireworks would be a whole lot cheaper-it's the only TRUE way to do it. ;)
 
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Currently Standard is nothing more than a name, used because of its heritage in order to market poor products. It can't go it alone because it is black cat.
 
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AnthonyUKpyro

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Currently Standard is nothing more than a name, used because of its heritage in order to market poor products. It can't go it alone because it is black cat.
NO you are WRONG because Black Cat Fireworks Limited of Tutbury Burton-Upon-Trent bought Standard Fireworks Limited out in the late 90's when it was put up for sale.;) From then on the Standard Fireworks Limited company listing was abolished on packaging and it was Black Cat Fireworks Limited Huddersfield HD4 7AD as the owning company.;)
 

Rich

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Just to diminish any confusion :

Established in 1891, Standard Fireworks was the brainchild of Yorkshire wholesale draper James Greenhalgh.

Always the entrepreneur James had seen that there was money to be made selling fireworks through his drapery business in the weeks before November 5th - Bonfire Night.

These fireworks were mainly made by outworkers, usually local coal miners supplementing their income.

Supplies for the fireworks were also brought from China by sea and arrived at Huddersfield by barge.

So, a fireworks manufacturing business had begun in a very small way and was worked alongside a continuing whole sale drapery business.

Years on the firework business proved to be a successful venture and a proper firework manufacturing site was soon needed.

Standard Fireworks moved to its current site at Crosland Hill, Huddersfield in 1910, where it now covers over 100 acres. When the site was purchased 1910 it was an old stone quarry, which was ideal in that, as well as providing all the space required for making fireworks, the site already had purpose built gunpowder stores used previously in the quarrying business.

A firework factory was started and today, although manufacturing has now been moved to China, the site remains with the head office for firework sales, marketing, warehousing and distribution, still located there.

During both the First and the Second World Wars firework production switched to munitions and become an essential part of the war effort.

The post war years brought further expansion and Standard Fireworks was floated on the Stock Market in 1959.

In 1988 Standard Fireworks bought the old established Scottish based Brocks Fireworks Ltd, seeing all fireworks production transferred to Yorkshire.

During the 1980's and 1990's Standard Fireworks become a major employer in the Yorkshire region with a 500 strong workforce both manufacturing fireworks and office staff.

1998 saw the purchase of Standard Fireworks by the Chinese based Black Cat Fireworks, now part of the largest manufacturer of fireworks in the world. Black Cat Fireworks switched all firework manufacture to China.

The Huddersfield site is now the UK headquarters for Black Cat Fireworks UK and acts as the sales, marketing, warehousing and distribution centre for both Black Cat Fireworks and Standard Firework brands.
 
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NO you are WRONG because Black Cat Fireworks Limited of Tutbury Burton-Upon-Trent bought Standard Fireworks Limited out in the late 90's when it was put up for sale.;) From then on the Standard Fireworks Limited company listing was abolished on packaging and it was Black Cat Fireworks Limited Huddersfield HD4 7AD as the owning company.;)
Surely that means I'm right
 

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Pyrotechnic seems right to me, they are Black Cat, have been for many years.

If they wen't alone they wouldn't survive, would we even miss both names?

Damage has already been done.
 
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no, anthony is right there, standard is the brand, it's just, say, if you wanted to complain, you'd send it to black cat, its the parent company if you like
Black Cat transferred the fireworks manufacture to China, if Standard split off where would they get their fireworks? The BC factory in china? The fact that BC made them stop producing fireworks in Huddersfield (which they were doing pre '98) shows they don't have the same people or facilities, the part which BC owns is their brand name along with some premises. People who provided real guidance, control, and direction of Standard pre 1998 were taken into roles in BC.

If they were to "split" it would mean a completely new business which buys the brand name from Black Cat. No one would do that because the reputation of Standard has been sold out by Black Cat and no longer stands for quality, it is now crappy Tesco fireworks.
 

AnthonyUKpyro

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Black Cat transferred the fireworks manufacture to China, if Standard split off where would they get their fireworks? The BC factory in china? The fact that BC made them stop producing fireworks in Huddersfield (which they were doing pre '98) shows they don't have the same people or facilities, the part which BC owns is their brand name along with some premises. People who provided real guidance, control, and direction of Standard pre 1998 were taken into roles in BC.

If they were to "split" it would mean a completely new business which buys the brand name from Black Cat. No one would do that because the reputation of Standard has been sold out by Black Cat and no longer stands for quality, it is now crappy Tesco fireworks.
In the 90's Standard and indeed Brock's International had a cracking range of really good and exciting Chinese fireworks all sourced from the Vulcan/Maverick/Shogun line of products under Inter-Oriental of China;if they'd have stuck with this arrangement and didn't put the company up for sale letting BC takeover, then Standard Fireworks would still be around today and would have gone from strength to strength with fireworks that people REALLY REALLY LIKE like NOT inferior stuff that BC THINKS they would like-the Vulcan Maverick Shogun range of fireworks is QUALITY, with decent effects, good duration, nice visuals, good sounds, and excellent safety and reliability too. Inter-Oriental's deal and partnership with Standard/Brock's International was a sound one and one that would still have worked well today had this been continued and allowed to continue. ;)
 
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In the 90's Standard and indeed Brock's International had a cracking range of really good and exciting Chinese fireworks all sourced from the Vulcan/Maverick/Shogun line of products under Inter-Oriental of China;if they'd have stuck with this arrangement and didn't put the company up for sale letting BC takeover, then Standard Fireworks would still be around today and would have gone from strength to strength with fireworks that people REALLY REALLY LIKE like NOT inferior stuff that BC THINKS they would like-the Vulcan Maverick Shogun range of fireworks is QUALITY, with decent effects, good duration, nice visuals, good sounds, and excellent safety and reliability too. Inter-Oriental's deal and partnership with Standard/Brock's International was a sound one and one that would still have worked well today had this been continued and allowed to continue. ;)
"Currently Standard is nothing more than a name, used because of its heritage in order to market poor products. It can't go it alone because it is black cat."

It's not a case of BC making products you like, it's making as much profit as possible by selling out based on reputation built by this heritage you mention.