How many manufacturers put 15m spectator distance on their powerful CE F2 fireworks?

#1
A lot of companies tend to stick to 8 metres regardless of how powerful or large their items are, which can be potentially very dangerous and put spectators at risk if they are standing too close while others, who see sense, put 15 metres on theirs because they see it being risky for their items to be viewed too close.

There seems to be no right or wrong with the CE-F2 specifications and manufacturers often go with their gut feeling and stick on what they think is safe.

Does anyone know? ;)

PS If I had my own retail fireworks company then ANYTHING that's powerful for 8 metres under the CE-F2 specification would indeed be rated 15 metres spectator safety distance.
 
#2
Why is this legally such a grey area? At F2, is there not a legal requirement to place a distance of 15m if the NEC is over a certain value? You'd think that if manufacturers could bend the rules to allow more people to 'access' their product then they'd set all of them to 8m.
 
#3
Why is this legally such a grey area? At F2, is there not a legal requirement to place a distance of 15m if the NEC is over a certain value? You'd think that if manufacturers could bend the rules to allow more people to 'access' their product then they'd set all of them to 8m.
It's not a legal requirement but surely if something is too powerful for 8 metres, then shouldn't it be the manufacturer's choice to badge powerful items as 15 metres ? A lot are following this "one size fits all" thing from Europe which is foolish.
 
#5
It's not a legal requirement but surely if something is too powerful for 8 metres, then shouldn't it be the manufacturer's choice to badge powerful items as 15 metres ? A lot are following this "one size fits all" thing from Europe which is foolish.
My feeling is that there should be some general guidelines for manufacturers to label at > 8m for those items that require it. Leaving it solely down to the manufacturers discretion seems a little concerning to me.
 
#6
I had the amazing 3 cake pack last year by Hallmark and correct me if I am wrong but I am pretty sure that was labelled at 8 metres which is insane. It could of been 15 metres however it definitely wasn't 25 metres that it should be as the breaks are huge and very wide spread. Just watch the video and you will see what I mean. Surely this law has to change and be policed by people who actually understand and have experienced knowledge in fireworks e.g not members of Parliament or EU.
 
#7
But if you place 25 metres on every firework then everyone will be breaking the law, 90% of the gardens in this country are under 25 metres. It's also common sense when selecting fireworks that if you think this might be a little big for my garden don't buy it and pick something smaller. Like myself sticking to 20mm or less.
 
#8
I had the amazing 3 cake pack last year by Hallmark and correct me if I am wrong but I am pretty sure that was labelled at 8 metres which is insane. It could of been 15 metres however it definitely wasn't 25 metres that it should be as the breaks are huge and very wide spread. Just watch the video and you will see what I mean. Surely this law has to change and be policed by people who actually understand and have experienced knowledge in fireworks e.g not members of Parliament or EU.
Hopefully with Brexit on the horizon, the manufacturers might be able to make adjustments to the nonsense which is BS-EN15947:2010 that is putting consumers at risk at present....fingers crossed! ;) The British Fireworks Association are pushing for this as they see it as ridiculous.
 
#10
But if you place 25 metres on every firework then everyone will be breaking the law, 90% of the gardens in this country are under 25 metres. It's also common sense when selecting fireworks that if you think this might be a little big for my garden don't buy it and pick something smaller. Like myself sticking to 20mm or less.
That's easy for us to say on a fireworks forum as we are into fireworks on a higher level then for e.g a young child with their Dad popping into a local fireworks store and having no knowledge at all and picking what 'looks' good to them. If a firework is then labelled at a shorter distance then you would expect then who knows of what complications it could cause.
 
#11
Hopefully with Brexit on the horizon, the manufacturers might be able to make adjustments to the nonsense which is BS-EN15947:2010 that is putting consumers at risk at present....fingers crossed! ;) The British Fireworks Association are pushing for this as they see it as ridiculous.
Sometimes in cases like this it is terrible to say but it can take a large scale disaster or accident to happen for laws to then change and cone into place. Just look at 9/11 and even things like recent food labelling etc. If it isn't blowing up in someone's face then the government remain death and blind to the obvious.
 
#12
But if you place 25 metres on every firework then everyone will be breaking the law, 90% of the gardens in this country are under 25 metres. It's also common sense when selecting fireworks that if you think this might be a little big for my garden don't buy it and pick something smaller. Like myself sticking to 20mm or less.
But, many consumers believe the 8 metres distance, thinking "if it's safe at 8 metres then it must be safe in my garden" and it is THIS anomaly which the British Fireworks Association is FURIOUS at........and they, like myself think "it's an accident which is waiting to happen", and it basically IS
 
#13
Are they FURIOUS? Most sellers want to sell more not less. By making fireworks less accessable more people will ship in from abroad and we've seen plenty of YouTube clips of them already. Maybe they should drop the NEC to 400g and 20mm tubes for cat 2 and everything bigger cat 3. But I still see 100's of stashes with the biggest fireworks I can get hold of. I guarantee not all have the space but to some bigger is always better.
 
#14
Are they FURIOUS? Most sellers want to sell more not less. By making fireworks less accessable more people will ship in from abroad and we've seen plenty of YouTube clips of them already. Maybe they should drop the NEC to 400g and 20mm tubes for cat 2 and everything bigger cat 3. But I still see 100's of stashes with the biggest fireworks I can get hold of. I guarantee not all have the space but to some bigger is always better.
The BFA DO agree with my fears Jezzadw and agree highly about the risk, so does Sandling Fireworks who also share my concerns over this.
 
#15
Are they FURIOUS? Most sellers want to sell more not less. By making fireworks less accessable more people will ship in from abroad and we've seen plenty of YouTube clips of them already. Maybe they should drop the NEC to 400g and 20mm tubes for cat 2 and everything bigger cat 3. But I still see 100's of stashes with the biggest fireworks I can get hold of. I guarantee not all have the space but to some bigger is always better.
I agree. I have had bigger items in the past because I have wanted to fire whatever I could afford. Despite have a safe firing space I would say my viewing space is limited and in actual fact larger fireworks can be quite boring if you don't have the space because you are struggling to get the best view and you are not seeing all the effects making the fireworks a bit of a waste of time and money. Not to mention then you have the old ticker ticking ten to the dozen through worrying that everything will go of safely.
 
#18
Well join the FAB and get them banned then.
Sorry, but why are you deliberately calling me anti-firework jezzadw? I've always loved fireworks AND I refute heavily ANY SUGGESTION AT ALL that I want them banned..........

The British Fireworks Association does NOT WANT A BAN on fireworks at all, they just want to be allowed to make adjustments to BS-EN15947 specifications that's all, which is what they are pushing for, so that the more F2 powerful items are badged 15 metres spectator distance and the tamer less powerful F2 stuff are rated at 8 metres spectator distance, but you have personally turned it into an attack argument against me as if I hate fireworks and want them banned!!!!!!!....which isn't the case at all. :(
 
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#19
Because it doesn't matter what distance you place on them some people will purchase the biggest they can get. And if the worst should happen the firework would be blamed and not the person. The education needs to be stepped up, children taught in schools again etc. Simply just placing a greater distance won't solve anything. Let's be honest supermarkets sell fireworks as a seasonal item, no clue what they selling. The cat 3 they sell could end up in any garden, I would rather see the seasonal only be allowed to sell smaller cat 2 pieces and the specialists allowed to sell bigger. Obviously online shopping didn't help the sale and chat on safety but that's down to individuals. Rules will always be broken, I love fireworks and hate people complaining about something I enjoy. CE has enabled me to fire some better stuff. I don't see why I should be punished because some people can't read or have no care at all for what they do.
 
#20
Do we want fireworks banned? No
Will fireworks be safer if they are labeled correctly? Yes
Are fireworks currently labeled at too short of safety distances? Yes
However fireworks also labeled at too long of safety distances on some selection boxes? Yes
Answer - we just care that fireworks are used in an enjoyable safe manner because then more people will want to use them and not be put off. No one needs to get personal we just want people to get the best use out of their fireworks.:)
 
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