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Alexs21

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Wow! :eek:. do you think it'll ever come to the UK or when do you think it will?
 

gaz

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These will have a huge bore for Flash powder, and with it being Bulk Salutes you have no chance.
 

AnthonyUKpyro

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Everything in the UK with a loud report and / or big bore is forbidden....and it's unfairly stupid......BUT it only takes some pillock to get one of these and abuse it (such as to let it off late at night after the fireworks curfew at 11pm) to force the hand of the Government to ban ALL fireworks with flash reports in, AND WE DON'T WANT THAT DO WE? ;) It's a double edge sword indeed that we have to tread - NO we think it shouldn't be restricted, BUT YES UK Govt always gets it way when it comes to fireworks BAR the rest of Europe where loud and / or big stuff is permitted and restrictions are the ONLY WAY to stop imbeciles abusing the firework freedoms we have in England Scotland and Wales.
 
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STEVO

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Their something like that coming in mid september from galactic firework
 
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AnthonyUKpyro

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Their something like that coming in mid september from galactic firework
I wonder how AF are managing to get a pure titanium salute product into the market when the HSE has vetoed Jorge Thunder Rockets and the BERR has vetoed Jorge Dum Bum 25 shot and 49 shot for having large amounts of flash and banned pure report fireworks?
 
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You'll probably find that the Absolute cake's primary is not the flash report, and that it has a mine at the bottom, or the silver cloud counts as the primary effect. This is how Klasek and Mars have got round the regulation with the Dum Bums and pieces like Boneshaker and The Godfather
 

FireworksDude86

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No chance of UK release as others have said but this is more to do with "they were given a chicken leg and now want the whole chicken". I of course refer to the anti pyro brigade. They shouted loud enough and regulations came into place (bangers, mini rockets, db limits).

The anti pyro brigade clapped their hands with these new (old) regulations but that win for them has just made things move as closer to a total ban on fireworks. Now they want more.

Regardless of the powder limits or noise, the anti pyro crew were thrown a stick to grip on to. This has tied the governments hands and kept relatively strict regulations in place with no room for compromise in our favour.

Whereas overseas, complainers were never given that chicken leg to start with
 

AnthonyUKpyro

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No chance of UK release as others have said but this is more to do with "they were given a chicken leg and now want the whole chicken". I of course refer to the anti pyro brigade. They shouted loud enough and regulations came into place (bangers, mini rockets, db limits).

The anti pyro brigade clapped their hands with these new (old) regulations but that win for them has just made things move as closer to a total ban on fireworks. Now they want more.

Regardless of the powder limits or noise, the anti pyro crew were thrown a stick to grip on to. This has tied the governments hands and kept relatively strict regulations in place with no room for compromise in our favour.

Whereas overseas, complainers were never given that chicken leg to start with
The anti-pyro brigade has been told straight time and time and time again and again and again etc, what the govt's position is on fireworks and the problems of a retail sale ban and difficulties in enforcing it, things like this huge size / powder weight firework will NEVER come to the UK as has been said - although many of us pyrofans would want this firework, commonsense HAS to prevail, also the manufacturers have got round the restrictions on flash reports only by adding pretty visual effects to lessen the impact of these products that they are releasing and as long as this compromise is implemented by the manufacturers / importers and distributors, then unlike you, I see no problems with it at all.

If this sheer piece of mayhem was released to the public onto the UK market and some pillocks/imbeciles abused and misused it by letting it off stupidly late at night then yes this silly lawbreaking would force the government's hand and ban ALL fireworks with flash reports as they will mistakenly see they are all capable of being misused so I think it sensible to keep this product outside the UK in continental Europe. ;)
 
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FireworksDude86

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What about kids in france lighting legal (over there) bangers with the age rating as 11+ ? There's idiots in all countries so why do the french have the lowest legal age limit on fireworks that are designed to be lit and thrown, if it's "idiots" over here the same fireworks are banned because of?

The french pretty much say "hey, the law will always remain as it is. So deal with it". Whereas here its more like (early 2000's) "Oh, is that a bit loud for you? ok we will make them turn the volume down".

You can't argue that idiots with fireworks here ("chav's", small kids or footie hooligans) are after pocket money fireworks. They are not pyro enthusiasts. They probably do not even know the different brands. Yet their actions banned air bombs, mini rockets and bangers. Now the pocket money firework days are over, what would be so damaging about having a cake like this on the market for lets say £25 (or more)?

The pocket money crew wouldn't be able to afford it. Die hard pyro fans would. The only logical problem would be the noise.

Why has there been a huge decline of idiots lighting fireworks these days? It's simple... because for their money, throwing a "fantastic fountain" from a £5 ASDA selection box in the street just would be a waste of cash and not get any sort of reaction that lobbing a banger would have had.
 

AnthonyUKpyro

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What about kids in france lighting legal (over there) bangers with the age rating as 11+ ? There's idiots in all countries so why do the french have the lowest legal age limit on fireworks that are designed to be lit and thrown, if it's "idiots" over here the same fireworks are banned because of?

The french pretty much say "hey, the law will always remain as it is. So deal with it". Whereas here its more like (early 2000's) "Oh, is that a bit loud for you? ok we will make them turn the volume down".

You can't argue that idiots with fireworks here ("chav's", small kids or footie hooligans) are after pocket money fireworks. They are not pyro enthusiasts. They probably do not even know the different brands. Yet their actions banned air bombs, mini rockets and bangers. Now the pocket money firework days are over, what would be so damaging about having a cake like this on the market for lets say £25 (or more)?

The pocket money crew wouldn't be able to afford it. Die hard pyro fans would. The only logical problem would be the noise.

Why has there been a huge decline of idiots lighting fireworks these days? It's simple... because for their money, throwing a "fantastic fountain" from a £5 ASDA selection box in the street just would be a waste of cash and not get any sort of reaction that lobbing a banger would have had.
Fireworks have become more and more expensive (which is a price the uk firework industry has HAD TO PAY to keep consumer retail fireworks on the shelves and in the public's hands) so taking them out of the idiots' affordability stakes and ensuring only TRUE enthusiasts and firework lovers can enjoy them (which can only be good) ;), failing that if the industry didn't get its house in order, a ban would only take it out of the public's hands and restrict to displays only.
 

FireworksDude86

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Well of course mate. It's all due to manufacturing and import fees? The price hike makes fireworks less of a tempting thing for the idiots because let's face it, 99% of people who misuse fireworks are either kids or brainless idiots who think 20p is a good investment for something that can be used to place fear into someone.

Yet it's these idiots alone made all of the regulations enforced. It's never been about the type of firework, but how they have been used. I.e black cat bangers at what? £2 for a pack of 20 will always attract idiots. Yet black cat bangers at £20 for a pack of 20 just wouldn't be worth it to these idiots. You can buy those paint balling smoke grenades legally for around £5, but we rarely see idiots with them (aside from at the occasional football matches). I'm sure if they were 20p each, kids in a lot of neighbourhoods would be getting hold of them.

In other words the government (who do not understand a thing about fireworks), should have just put down a forced minimum pricing strategy to deter idiots instead of just banning certain fireworks outright (which has provided the anti pyro brigade with a mini win, meaning although we probably won't see a total ban on consumer pyro, we also have no chance of getting the laws relaxed to allow for pyro like this big dumbum cake).

The other main factor in noise level reduction imo was newsagents that sold pyro. It was always too easy for kids who knew someone who looked about 18, to ask them to go into the newsagents to buy them 10 benson and hedges and a few packs of bangers.

The government and industry as a whole through regulation, inflation, etc have put fireworks at the best point it has ever been at. Where families can enjoy their cheapo, very low noise fountain selection boxes from the supermarket and us pyro heads can buy quite decent stuff from the all year round suppliers. But.... on the path to get here, we have lost out on any chance to enjoy a lot of the decent "Klasek" and "Jorge" pyro, all because of newsagents, pocket money pyro and idiots years ago
 
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gaz

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Well of course mate. It's all due to manufacturing and import fees? The price hike makes fireworks less of a tempting thing for the idiots because let's face it, 99% of people who misuse fireworks are either kids or brainless idiots who think 20p is a good investment for something that can be used to place fear into someone.

Yet it's these idiots alone made all of the regulations enforced. It's never been about the type of firework, but how they have been used. I.e black cat bangers at what? £2 for a pack of 20 will always attract idiots. Yet black cat bangers at £20 for a pack of 20 just wouldn't be worth it to these idiots. You can buy those paint balling smoke grenades legally for around £5, but we rarely see idiots with them (aside from at the occasional football matches). I'm sure if they were 20p each, kids in a lot of neighbourhoods would be getting hold of them.

In other words the government (who do not understand a thing about fireworks), should have just put down a forced minimum pricing strategy to deter idiots instead of just banning certain fireworks outright (which has provided the anti pyro brigade with a mini win, meaning although we probably won't see a total ban on consumer pyro, we also have no chance of getting the laws relaxed to allow for pyro like this big dumbum cake).

The other main factor in noise level reduction imo was newsagents that sold pyro. It was always too easy for kids who knew someone who looked about 18, to ask them to go into the newsagents to buy them 10 benson and hedges and a few packs of bangers.

The government and industry as a whole through regulation, inflation, etc have put fireworks at the best point it has ever been at. Where families can enjoy their cheapo, very low noise fountain selection boxes from the supermarket and us pyro heads can buy quite decent stuff from the all year round suppliers. But.... on the path to get here, we have lost out on any chance to enjoy a lot of the decent "Klasek" and "Jorge" pyro, all because of newsagents, pocket money pyro and idiots years ago
I remember the kids when I was really young, throwing bangers and rockets at busses and cars, But this is what all the banning stemmed from. I agree with this post. We have a situation where were we are missing out on certain fireworks for the enthusiasts because of the idiots who just want to be antisocial with them.
I think we need to have a system where we are able to bring back old type of fireworks but only allowed in a licensed shop, where they can be monitored on how they are used. it's not like a 12-year-old going to be able to buy a banger from a licensed shop without being refused.

Age proof can then be better asked, as it's in a more controlled environment, the problem is. Our government doesn't want to hassle of this idea so they will just ban it.

Iv have said this for a long time now, and i will keep saying it, We live in a bubble world. its too controlled and its only going to get worse.
 

FireworksDude86

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Our government doesn't want to undo what they have already done because people either is reduces the money they make from tax or the public go on a bender.

It's the latter in this case. What would be wrong now with small rockets being legal to buy in pyro specialist shops (banshee's etc) for lets say £12 a pack? Chances are they would be lit on or around GFN, so where is the harm?

The clueless idiots wouldn't know the difference been a banshee thunder and a single shot legal "drone attack" candle. They wouldn't even know the difference between a black cat banger sound and some crap ASDA garden fountain that crackles a bit. As we see these people referring to
"I wish people would stop lighting banger's".

To them it's all noise. I saw recently that the screech rockets were not banned because of the screech, but because of "erratic flight". Which doesn't make much sense on todays market.
 
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Somersetpyro

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Can i just point out that such people may well read this very thread, so calling them "clueless idiots" maybe isn't the way to go. Its much better to keep everyone on side with pyro, by considering their problems and trying to mitigate them. Cos otherwise all we do is fuel the ban fireworks debate, which is never a good thing.

When bottle rockets, bangers and other items were banned, they were used a lot for antisocial behaviour. Which caused problems no one would've wanted. Yeah it's a shame that sensible users such as ourselves can't enjoy them, but banning a select few items may well have helped our cause when it came to banning all pyro :)

so yeah, just be careful what you say on topics like this, keep the peace people :)
 
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FireworksDude86

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The problem is though with using that term is how it works both ways.

Let's put it a bit more politely. "People who do not know very much about fireworks as they are never of any interest to them".

The problem comes when people who don't like fireworks refuse to find that in between balance. It was only a few days ago I read something someone posted online which infuriated me. It was on an article where someone had hand injuries because the lit fireworks in their hand. A comment from someone read...

"I hope the yobs in our area blow their hands off with fireworks because they keep lighting bangers at night which scares our dogs".

We can argue all day about what is incorrect and wrong about them making a comment like that. However, the main point is for every comment like this, there will then be 10 more people saying people who like fireworks are "mindless/selfish idiots".

What we have to remember, is there are more of them than us.

At least all of us here can have a debate with things. We agree that the reason bangers and other fireworks were banned were because of "idiots" (i.e kids throwing them through letter boxes which is idiotic behaviour), but that doesn't swing both ways.

The "People who do not know very much about fireworks as they are never of any interest to them" often do not consider both sides of the argument.

For example, 5 people might just dislike fireworks for no reason aside from them never being something they got into. They see someones comments about fireworks being horrible and frightening for their animals. These 5 people will then use that same argument against fireworks.

It was only 4 years ago (if that), when someone had decided to make up propaganda against fireworks. They found a picture of a dog with half their face blown off and claimed it was kids who got hold of fireworks and did that to a dog. It was shared 1000's of times, had so much hatred spouted against people who like fireworks and was just me and a handful of others arguing that the article is nothing to do with fireworks. The picture was taken from the daily mail website reporting about a dog who had his face blown away by an IED in Afghanistan.

They never want to reason with people. In fact, every year the anti pyro brigade increase in numbers, mostly due to the propaganda spread against fireworks.

Therefore if anything would worsen the case for firework laws remaining as they are, it would be the "People who do not know very much about fireworks as they are never of any interest to them", who live by and spread their propaganda which tugs and heart strings and brings more people to actively protest against fireworks with the main generic arguments being:

"All fireworks which have any noise scare animals"
"All fireworks which have any noise are frightening for the elderly and soldiers suffering with PTSD"
"Fireworks cause injuries to people, are dangerous and should be for display's only"
"Kid's can get hold of fireworks and really injure themselves"

or

The usual propaganda of twisting the facts for their own gain. 2 years ago someone was featured in the paper with claims a rocket crashed into their roof and blew out a massive hole (through the slate,insulation and everything underneath). The hole was big but the rocket which was accused of doing it was nothing but 1 of those very long stick, a tiny tube on top with barely any powder in.

They said in reply to 1 of the comments (I just dug it up):

"I appreciate your comments. however, I'd like to think I can tell the difference between a light-weight firework for domestic entertainment and a heavy-duty one. During my teens, some 40 years ago, I used to make my own fireworks and know what can be done with just a little tinkering of the shop-bought specification."

That comment alone could also be argued how wrong it is 1000 times over.

This was the same person who said:

"someone is letting of heavy-duty fireworks (rockets and bangers)"




That was a picture with the article showing the rocket in question.

So back on topic. Its probably (purely in my opinion) the case of someone already having damage to their roof, seeing a spent rocket in their garden, so deciding to claim that repair on the insurance with fireworks being to blame and generating more negativity towards fireworks because they do not like them personally