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Somersetpyro

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I think Government will come out against it with a big fat 'NO' as they always have;

banning/restricting the sales and use of fireworks will result in some undesirable side-effects of which the Govt detest,

-an illegal black market of dangerous unclassified firework imports which could be potentially very powerful or even kill/burn and injure the user,

-also there could be a dangerous precedent of the old "kitchen sink chemist" syndrome where idiots could try to make their own fireworks out of household substances and chemicals with potentially deadly consequences.

If there are any restrictions then I personally WOULD welcome these sensible compromises;

-The sales and use of quieter less noisier low noise ie crackles and colour/flying fish/comets/falling leaves etc 1.4 fireworks permitted out of season,
-And the sales and use of noisier 1.4 and 1.3 fireworks only permitted in season whistles bangs and anything loud in season.
That should go some way to reducing the problems and reducing the complaints. ;)
 
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The government does not have that big a majority so if it was a free vote ,I suppose anything could happen. Even if it does not succeed this year ,I suspect a new petition will come up every year.
Fireworks seem to be getting bigger each year , and some rockets now are massive . Its a matter of time before something bad happens ,it gets national media coverage and the government will have to be seen to something .
I have no sympathy for people with dogs who complain about this or that ,but I can understand that they love their dogs more than the neighbours ,but however responsible 99% of pyro users are ,there are always the 1% that ruin things.
Perhaps the uk firework community ,retailers ,importers ,whatever ,need start to think about limiting the size of rockets especially, as a gesture perhaps to show good will and hopefully avoid imposed new regulations from above .
 

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The government does not have that big a majority so if it was a free vote ,I suppose anything could happen. Even if it does not succeed this year ,I suspect a new petition will come up every year.
Fireworks seem to be getting bigger each year , and some rockets now are massive . Its a matter of time before something bad happens ,it gets national media coverage and the government will have to be seen to something .
I have no sympathy for people with dogs who complain about this or that ,but I can understand that they love their dogs more than the neighbours ,but however responsible 99% of pyro users are ,there are always the 1% that ruin things.
Perhaps the uk firework community ,retailers ,importers ,whatever ,need start to think about limiting the size of rockets especially, as a gesture perhaps to show good will and hopefully avoid imposed new regulations from above .
I don't think the sizes of fireworks should be reduced but, I think that better guidance and some sort of education/information process from manufacturers/importers/distributors as to where they are appropriate for use and where they should NOT be used is better than an outright restriction on sizes or a ban;because once you start reducing the size of rockets available to the public, it will only take whingeing and moaning from the same dogooders to say other fireworks other than rockets should be reduced in size too, be careful what you wish for is the cautionary tale here, otherwise it could end up where fireworks for the consumer get far too small weak and tame due from pressure from the anti-firework dogooders, animal care charities and pet owners, and would spoil fireworks for the sensible majority. Is that what you want? Think again.
 

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To be fair @AnthonyUKpyro, @cossi does make a valid point. Particularly with rockets, the 200g ones are unbelievably loud, and then the size of the stick that comes down is a bit silly. You certainly need a good 100m sqared location to use them safely imo.
 

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To be fair @AnthonyUKpyro, @cossi does make a valid point. Particularly with rockets, the 200g ones are unbelievably loud, and then the size of the stick that comes down is a bit silly. You certainly need a good 100m sqared location to use them safely imo.
The incidents where ginormous BS7114 and BS-EN 15947 Cat 3 15m and 25m display firework rockets have crashed through people's greenhouses and conservatories and on cars are relatively few and this is not generally reflective of most consumer firework use-as a rule, most families in built-up areas who buy and use fireworks tend to buy smaller less dangerous less powerful 1.4g supermarket and 1.4g retail 8m 15m and 25m rockets, and only those who are lucky to have plenty of space with suitable space for their fireworks i.e a long or huge garden with clear obstruction-free land to the rear and sides of that would generally tend to buy big 1.3g BS7114 and BS-EN 15947 Cat 3 15m and 25m Display Firework Rockets. Only an idiot with the wrong idea of safety or no common sense would even think of purchasing or letting off such powerful or ridiculously sized rockets in built up areas where there is no drop zone clear of hazards. ;)
 

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trouble is though is it only takes the 1 idiot, 1 person to fire one rocket that crashes through a car windscreen or glass roof. I think i would welcome those particular items being restricted a bit, maybe only beins able to be sold to people who can show competence at at a specialist shop (such as repeat buyers or people buying for a cat3 public display with RA etc) which would solve at least one issue, and it wouldn't hamper the responsible buyer much at all
 

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trouble is though is it only takes the 1 idiot, 1 person to fire one rocket that crashes through a car windscreen or glass roof. I think i would welcome those particular items being restricted a bit, maybe only beins able to be sold to people who can show competence at at a specialist shop (such as repeat buyers or people buying for a cat3 public display with RA etc) which would solve at least one issue, and it wouldn't hamper the responsible buyer much at all
Problem is;with govt cuts to council budgets etc, training/education of firework users in the safe use of powerful large Cat2/3 rockets and other powerful fireworks of similar calibre is an expense they can ill afford. Competance courses are useful;but the Govt have blatantly refused or constantly ignored the necessity of training domestic fireworks users in the safe use of consumer fireworks and/or Cat 2/3 firework display training.

In general, you have to go straight to mail-order and retail firework companies if you want training in the safe use of fireworks for private/public display i.e a course in this. The question is;
Would the the Govt link competance in such courses as a condition to the user(s) wanting to purchase powerful Cat 2/3 rockets and powerful Cat 2/3 fireworks from firework seasonals/specialist fireworks shops that are licensed to stock and sell these to the public? I don't know. It would be a start if it boosts safety and awareness and makes it harder for non-experienced users to get hold of them. ;)
 
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Banning them will just make it more dangerous for people because then they will start getting illegal fireworks which will cause a lot more trouble.
 

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Very good point Alex. You have to find a fine line to where regulations are and to what people against want, and in this case with that partition it has been stated that laws are in place to make it fair for everyone.

imagine the Gov completely banning fireworks (One massive uproar from everyone who enjoys fireworks) the industry would suffer and companies would start dying down.

More people would be unemployed and we would have lost a great tradition. Small display companies rely on the sale of fireworks throughout the year to keep going.

This is why I don't think the anti firework brigade truly understand their own actions, Becuase if they had there way there would be more unwanted noise then currently, is.

The firework community on both plains, understands you have to be courteous when it comes to animals and the elderly and the people who are sensitive.

I don't see it as a major problem, I know a fair few people who have animals and who are able to keep their pets calm during the fireworks season and any other time fireworks are set off.
 
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@Alexs21 very good point, which is why i don't think the government will outright ban all fireworks. It would create a huge black market, and that is definitely something the government want to avoid. I will also point out, that fireworks sales contribute a huge amount to the economy through import tax, sales tax, licensing etc, income from sales alone is upwards of £50million, which in our current situation is money they will want to keep
 

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or maybe - has there or can we build a petition calling for a ban on dogs and cats because peoples with mall animals like this often let them Fudge Berries! and I highlight Fudge Berries! everywhere and don't keep them on leads around streets ppl who get scared by a large animal running at them?
 

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again, these sensor words do make it very interesting to read :) @greasyvisa But wouldn't that be retaliating (Doing the same) it wouldn't be practical to make one as it would only anger them more.

With the firework community, it is only fair to be more respectful and if you do have an above anti firework brigade person ranting on about animals. Show them where they can get advice and next time explain before setting fireworks off. There for you have done everything you can.
 

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why was this Petition even made?
Happens every year;some dogooders for animals rights always carp on about the noise and disturbance fireworks cause to their pets, and as a result they ALWAYS want restrictions on the use of fireworks by individuals, however if it was the other way round and these animal and pet owners had complaints about the noise mess and nuisance their animals cause on others there'd be fury!!! I don't think the Govt will act on it-the fireworks industry, their industry bodies and users are always responsible and never go stupid, and the fireworks industry is complying with products that don't go over 120dB, and every manufacturer distributor and importer has a low noise range of product should anyone be worried about upsetting other people's pets and children and wants to keep the noise down to this end, so you can't blame the firework companies, they do all they practicably can in reality. ;)
 
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Happens every year;some dogooders for animals rights always carp on about the noise and disturbance fireworks cause to their pets, and as a result they ALWAYS want restrictions on the use of fireworks by individuals, however if it was the other way round and these animal and pet owners had complaints about the noise mess and nuisance their animals cause on others there'd be fury!!! I don't think the Govt will act on it-the fireworks industry, their industry bodies and users are always responsible and never go stupid, and the fireworks industry is complying with products that don't go over 120dB, and every manufacturer distributor and importer has a low noise range of product should anyone be worried about upsetting other people's pets and children and wants to keep the noise down to this end, so you can't blame the firework companies, they do all they practicably can in reality. ;)
Oh yeah, I didn't even think about the noise dogs make for the neighbours. They don't even think about our side though.
 
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Oh yeah, I didn't even think about the noise dogs make for the neighbours. They don't even think about our side though.
I agree again with this, many nights we have a dog in back either she's screaming at it to get indoors or its barking for a good half hour come past 10pm